Nanobreweries?

[mr x]

That's fine and well, but if you can't prove to me that you have a serious and credible plan, you'll never see ten cents. If your main concern is somebody stealing your idea of opening a micro, I think you'll kill any independent funding with paranoia.

[Graham.C]

That's fine and well, but if you can't prove to me that you have a serious and credible plan, you'll never see ten cents. If your main concern is somebody stealing your idea of opening a micro, I think you'll kill any independent funding with paranoia.

I have to side with x. They might have an awesome business plan, and all their ducks in line, but if you are asking me for money than you have to give me some level of confidence in your plan.

[mr x]

Precisely. Nobody in their right mind is going to invest in anything without knowing the assets they are buying, and the operational competence of the operator (at a minimum). These are the basic principles of disclosure.

[Dirt Chicken]

what is going on at dalhousie? do tell!! I used to run the dal bike centre until I got called back into animation production work this year!!

[KMcK]

What about the co-op that was mentioned on here? It seems that could be a great model for a nano-brewery...

When I hear co-op in this context I imagine a legal setup that would allow each of us to come in, brew, and sell through the co-op's licence.

[vgoreham]

what is going on at dalhousie? do tell!! I used to run the dal bike centre until I got called back into animation production work this year!!

Dalhousie, New Brunswick (I believe).

I didn't know Dal had a bike centre - but I've only been going to school there for 8 years..
(Seems like this would have been handy when I learned-as-I-went rebuilt my bike last winter..

[bluenose]

When you buy product from someone who has complied with all the necessary regulations, at least you know the product is safe. Whether it is good or not depends on the brewer.

I understand all the zoning and by law regulations but when it comes down to it there is no testing between the final product and when the consumer gets it so you can't be sure it's safe. Not that I want to make it any harder than it already is to get beer.

Dow Brewing was complying with all the regulations of the day when they killed their most loyal customers to ensure head retention.

And the CFIA's list of allowed beer ingredients excludes cherries. When they don't understand a product to the point where they exclude a common ingredient I have little faith in the regulations they put in place or enforce.

Touche

[thirdeye]

When I hear co-op in this context I imagine a legal setup that would allow each of us to come in, brew, and sell through the co-op's licence.

That would be ideal, though I know here in NB that you have to have every beer tasted before it can be listed. So everyone in the co-op could brew the two or three different recipes approved by NBLC. One benefit of a co-op is the ability to have a larger setup (1bbl+), where some members brew to sell and others brew for personal.

[Dirt Chicken]

what is going on at dalhousie? do tell!! I used to run the dal bike centre until I got called back into animation production work this year!!

Dalhousie, New Brunswick (I believe).

I didn't know Dal had a bike centre - but I've only been going to school there for 8 years..
(Seems like this would have been handy when I learned-as-I-went rebuilt my bike last winter..

There is a facebook page for "Dalhousie Campus Bike Centre" check it out for current open hours.

[thirdeye]

This thread is officially jacked, any admins want to split it or something?

As for the topic of Nanobreweries, I'm curious if anyone in NS is going in that direction?

[mr x]

Other than Hell Bay, I don't know of anyone else.

[KMcK]

When I hear co-op in this context I imagine a legal setup that would allow each of us to come in, brew, and sell through the co-op's licence.

That would be ideal, though I know here in NB that you have to have every beer tasted before it can be listed. So everyone in the co-op could brew the two or three different recipes approved by NBLC. One benefit of a co-op is the ability to have a larger setup (1bbl+), where some members brew to sell and others brew for personal.

It's similar in Nova Scotia but we could still sell in the private liquor stores and on site. That would be more than enough distribution for the amount we could brew.

[rapidTEST]

On the way to becoming a nanobrewery is there any law that prevents an individual from making beer, say 200 l / month, and giving it away in bottles or growlers to friends as you perfect recipes, quality control, and just getting to the point you can make reproducible product?

Sorry if this has been addressed before? I'm a silly newbie..


Best regards,

Neeraj

[KMcK]

I've heard from a source reputable on this matter that homebrew isn't supposed to leave the home.

[thirdeye]

Pretty much this. If the beer gets 200' from the fermentor you brewed it in, you're doing something illegal.

[mr x]

What if I live in a van, lol...

[thirdeye]

A mobile brewing setup could be the perfect answer to this problem! You hang out at Evolve and give a tour of your bus for $5, plus a free neighborly beer

[pet lion]

So brewing competitions are inherently illegal?

[BBrianBoogie]

What if I live in a van, lol...

As long as it's down by the river you're ok.

[mr x]

I wonder if the homeless can brew? Seems like a violation of their charter rights...

[GAM]

My Cop and Lawyer friends have some explaining to do.

Sandy

[derek]

So brewing competitions are inherently illegal?

Yes, brewing competitions are inherently illegal. We (my wife & I, Jeff P, and others) judge the Amateur Winemaker's of Nova Scotia competition annually, and have had the Canadian competition here a couple of times, and we've always tried to do it "as legally as possible", but the best we've ever been able to do is get the NSLC to say that there's no law to permit it, but that if we abide by all other liquor licensing conditions they won't pull the license of the facility where we're doing it. It's illegal to transport alcohol on which the required taxes haven't been paid, and it's illegal for a licensed establishment to serve alcohol on which no taxes have been paid. And it's likely illegal for them to serve alcohol at the time we start

However, the brewing & selling of alcohol comes under both federal Excise law and provincial law. I don't _think_ there's anything in Nova Scotia law to prohibit giving away your beer (though it would be illegal for somebody else to then transport it), but then all that's still in the courts. Ross Harrington beat many of the charges against him because he got a (pretty cheap) Federal Excise permit - which is absolutely the least that you would need.

[papercrane]

... Ross Harrington beat many of the charges against him because he got a (pretty cheap) Federal Excise permit - which is absolutely the least that you would need.

He only beat the charge because he had reasonable belief that the excise permit was enough, the judge made it clear though that now that he was made aware that it wasn't he can't rely on that defense a second time.

From the ruling:

Now I expect that Mr. Harrington now fully understand his obligations as a result of these charges and contact with his lawyer and that he is well informed with respect to the licensing requirements of the Province. And while his defense is successful on counts two and three in this instance, I would doubt that this would be the case, Mr. Harrington, in the future, given that your attention has been clearly drawn to your provincial obligations.

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[mr x]

Yeah, but we went through this before on the listserve. Regardless of what that judge said, public prosecution would not bring these cases to court again, as they aren't confident enough in the laws to win. That's why we have the new end-around by the NDP...

[derek]

... Ross Harrington beat many of the charges against him because he got a (pretty cheap) Federal Excise permit - which is absolutely the least that you would need.

He only beat the charge because he had reasonable belief that the excise permit was enough, the judge made it clear though that now that he was made aware that it wasn't he can't rely on that defense a second time.

Actually, I thought the judge was too lenient on him: I very much doubt he had such a "reasonable belief" (which is not to say that I think the law is right, just that I think Harrington knew perfectly well that what he was doing violated NS law).

But the point is that the Excise permit does get you _something_. Basically, back before I brewed my own first beer (sometime in the 70s), it was technically illegal to brew at home, at all. Then the federal Excise law was changed to permit small batch brewing for personal consumption. I think if you were brewing 200l at a time, to "give away", you'd still find yourself in violation of the federal laws, so you have to get the excise permit. otoh, Harrington demonstrated that that was pretty much a formality.