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Re: SS Conical Fermenter

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Re: SS Conical Fermenter

Post by NASH » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:12 pm

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:22 pm

Does the size of the yeast dump seem like it could be an issue? I'm wondering if it's large enough to drain yeast effectively.

Edit: I guess my concern is more about the size of the valve opening. My understanding is that the ferrule is a 1.5" opening, but it looks like the ball valve significantly reduces that opening.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by JohnnyMac » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:50 pm

That's kinda neat. Looks like cleaning would be the same as any other conical.

Not sure I'd be using those hop screen tubes....
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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by jeffsmith » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:58 pm

JohnnyMac wrote:That's kinda neat. Looks like cleaning would be the same as any other conical.

Not sure I'd be using those hop screen tubes....
I'm wondering if those might be necessary to keep hops from collecting around the base of the element and scorching?

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:16 pm

JohnnyMac wrote:That's kinda neat. Looks like cleaning would be the same as any other conical.

Not sure I'd be using those hop screen tubes....
Yeah, don't really see the need for them - you can just dump the hops with the bottom valve before pitching yeast.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by AllanMar » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:55 pm

What's your plan for chilling/temp control? Glycol?

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Post by Jimmy » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:48 pm

AllanMar wrote:What's your plan for chilling/temp control? Glycol?
I was thinking that, but not sure how it would work with boiling in the vessel. It would need to be something that can withstand the boil temperatures, have some type of pressure release, or be able to disconnect/drain while boiling. Water is obviously the simplest choice..don't know if I would just run that through a glycol chiller or what.

I had already talked with Nash about glycol, but hadn't thought about the heat while boiling being an issue.

Anyone have any thoughts/suggestions?

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by sleepyjamie » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:24 pm

There are ways to build a jacketed glycol chiller. People have schematics online


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Post by mr x » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:30 pm

Just use tap water with a ranco and a solenoid.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:33 pm

mr x wrote:Just use tap water with a ranco and a solenoid.

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That's pretty much what they sell as an add-on.
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With this handy device, you can automatically and precisely regulate the temperature in your 3-in-1 during fermentation. The valve solenoid attaches to the 'in' port of the jacket and opens and closes to control the flow of chilling water into the jacket. The valve is controlled by a digital temperature controller which opens and closes the solenoid based on the temperature in the 3-in-1. With a digital controller, it can regulate the temperature in your 3-in-1 to within 1°F. Includes 7' of braided 1/2" vinyl tubing, 120V cord and plug, solenoid and connectors.
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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by mr x » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:34 pm

What's that worth?

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

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mr x wrote:What's that worth?

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They are selling them for $154..what's it worth? I have no idea :lol:

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by mr x » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:39 pm

I can build that for next to nothing.
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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:49 pm

Something Nash had pointed out is that the chiller would be good for crash cooling - something tap water might not be able to accomplish. I'd also like to gear it up as some type of closed system so that it's the same coolant, just recirculating.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by NASH » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:26 pm

You'll need a ranco and solenoid no matter what you use. Heat won't hurt the glycol but you can just use water in a chiller instead, you'll just need to run it a little warmer so it doesn't freeze. You can likely run water around 2 or 3 C in a cold water bath without freezing, should still give you decent cooling power. If you ran glycol it'd be -1 - -2 C :cheers2:

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:30 pm

NASH wrote:You'll need a ranco and solenoid no matter what you use. Heat won't hurt the glycol but you can just use water in a chiller instead, you'll just need to run it a little warmer so it doesn't freeze. You can likely run water around 2 or 3 C in a cold water bath without freezing, should still give you decent cooling power. If you ran glycol it'd be -1 - -2 C :cheers2:
My concern was about the expansion of the glycol in the jacket while there's boiling wort in the kettle. I don't want things blowing up :lol:

I don't know anything about the mechanics of the chiller, so maybe it's not an issue. If it's water, I'd just disconnect the chiller while I was boiling.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by NASH » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:26 am

Jimmy wrote:
NASH wrote:Heat won't hurt the glycol
My concern was about the expansion of the glycol in the jacket while there's boiling wort in the kettle. I don't want things blowing up :lol:
I got that, and this....
Jimmy wrote:It would need to be something that can withstand the boil temperatures
Sorry I didn't finish designing your system for you. :banana:

The jacket would only be pressurized / closed while the chiller is running, you wouldn't need to disconnect and reconnect although you could, might get a little messy. I'd use water instead of glycol in a chiller, at least until you get the kinks worked out and see how it works.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:47 am

NASH wrote:Sorry I didn't finish designing your system for you. :banana:
Well clearly I'm over paying you..you should have covered this is our previous consultation :moon:

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Re: SS Conical Fermenter

Post by GuingesRock » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:53 pm

Jimmy wrote:They sell a jacketed kettle as well

http://brewha.co/products/boil-kettle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jimmy. Having another look at that conical/boiler. How do you get the beer from the conical into the keg? I like the jacketed kettle that you linked better (looks pretty good actually). It’s 16 Gal (same size as my pot). It has ports already there for elements and a sensor, and it could sit up higher than the conical so you could run the beer into kegs by gravity. Would be great for fermenting in as well because of the jacket on the pot and ability to control fermentation temp. It’s simpler and has less fancy gear to clean and sanitize, like all the stuff attached to the conical lid, that I don’t understand the need for.
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Re: SS Conical Fermenter

Post by Jimmy » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:34 pm

GuingesRock wrote:
Jimmy wrote:They sell a jacketed kettle as well

http://brewha.co/products/boil-kettle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jimmy. Having another look at that conical/boiler. How do you get the beer from the conical into the keg? I like the jacketed kettle that you linked better (looks pretty good actually). It’s 16 Gal (same size as my pot). It has ports already there for elements and a sensor, and it could sit up higher than the conical so you could run the beer into kegs by gravity. Would be great for fermenting in as well because of the jacket on the pot and ability to control fermentation temp. It’s simpler and has less fancy gear to clean and sanitize, like all the stuff attached to the conical lid, that I don’t understand the need for.
Mark, you can pressurize the conical to feed the beer into your kegs - that's actually what one of the ports on top of the lid is for (you install a ball or pin lock post on it). The other port on the top is used to attach a blowoff tube.

I like the idea of the conical - you can dump the hops/trub at the end of the boil to ensure clean wort. Since you have clean wort to start with, you'll be able to easily dump the yeast for future use. After dumping yeast you can dry hop and dump the hops before transfering to the keg (or transfer from above the hops).

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Post by NASH » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:40 pm

That's right.

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Post by GuingesRock » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:07 pm

Oh, I see. That sounds good. I don't think you will ever need a blow off tube, I do 12 gal batches in my 16 Gal pot and there's enough head space that I never had yeast overflowing. I think that's about the biggest size batch you will be able to do in there? because of the room taken up initially by the boil off volume with some room at the top also to reduce risk of boil over. I might be wrong, but that's my experience of a 16g pot. Is that what you were thinking?

What are you doing for a mash setup? I was trying to think if there would be a way to BIAB in there also.
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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by Jimmy » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:40 pm

I'm doubtful that krausen would end up in the blowoff tube, but it's still good to have a) because it provides an "airlock" and b) just in case of krausen makes it's way up that far in the fermenter. It's definitely not a necessity, just something to make life a little easier.

My intention is to remove all the "removable parts" before/after each brew and throw them in a bucket of cleaner and then sanitizer. I don't expect it will add much work to the overall process.

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Re: Brewha 3-in-1 kettle & jacketed conical

Post by GuingesRock » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:52 pm

Jimmy wrote:My intention is to remove all the "removable parts" before/after each brew and throw them in a bucket of cleaner and then sanitizer. I don't expect it will add much work to the overall process.
Or even throw them in a pot of boiling water maybe.

I suppose the pot wouldn't be big enough to BIAB a 10 Gal batch, even if it did turn out to be practical to BIAB in there.
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