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Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:34 pm
by RubberToe
Hey everyone,
I'm planning on brewing a double batch and splitting the wort into a Kolsch and Saison. Belle Saison yeast and probably just US-05 for the kolsch.
Right now I'm thinking of this for the grain bill:
OG: 1.050 - 1.052
80% pilsner malt
10% wheat malt
10% Vienna malt
For the hops mostly Hallertau Tradition plus a bit of Styrian Goldings to get rid of them, 30 - 35 IBU with a small amount of late hops.
What do you think of this concept? I think it might work out.
-Rob
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:21 pm
by Woody
US05 for a Kolsh? Maybe Dave has a WLP029 or NG a Wyeast 2565.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:48 pm
by CorneliusAlphonse
yeah us05 might make a light american pilsner or something, not really a kolsch. probably still a tasty light beer tho.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:14 am
by LeafMan66_67
While the US05 isn't a kolsch yeast, it is listed as a sub in the BCS recipe. I've used it and it does make a tasty kolsch "style" brew, fairly clear and crisp, just not really a kolsch. I like the concept of splitting the batch into a saison and a kolsch - looks good.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:24 am
by jeffsmith
Looks good to me.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:45 am
by RubberToe
Yeah, what leafman said. Not the same yeast character but clean at least. I'd prefer a kolsch or German ale yeast but given a tight timeframe this may have to do.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:51 am
by mr x
Pitch high, oxygenate high, and ferment in the mid/low 50's. I'd mash low too, sure you have that covered anyway.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:01 am
by RubberToe
Yup.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:50 am
by Keith
RubberToe wrote:Yeah, what leafman said. Not the same yeast character but clean at least. I'd prefer a kolsch or German ale yeast but given a tight timeframe this may have to do.
I have a vial of kolsch yeast in the fridge if you want to pop out Rob.

Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:52 am
by GAM
Are you in Hfx today?
I may have Kolsh.
Sandy
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:44 am
by RubberToe
GAM wrote:Are you in Hfx today?
I may have Kolsh.
Sandy
I'm in Bedford but thanks for the offer.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:45 am
by Keith
RubberToe wrote:GAM wrote:Are you in Hfx today?
I may have Kolsh.
Sandy
I'm in Bedford but thanks for the offer.
I'm in Sackville, 10 min away, come get the yeast!
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:46 am
by RubberToe
Keith wrote:I have a vial of kolsch yeast in the fridge if you want to pop out Rob.

Tempting offer... Not brewing until next week though.
You're home today?
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:47 am
by Keith
Yep. Up for a coffee?
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:54 am
by RubberToe
I'm heading out that way at lunch to help someone move a car, PM time.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:43 pm
by GasMD30
This is a good link about Saisons and their yeastie beasties
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Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:06 pm
by gm-
Sounds pretty good, I was thinking about doing my "good beer for people who like bad beer" cream ale double batch next weekend and using US-05 in one and Saison II in the other.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:08 pm
by RubberToe
Shout out to Keith for being awesome. I now have some kolsch yeast.
This brew is on deck.
Re: Kolsch & Saison from same wort
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:38 pm
by Keith
RubberToe wrote:Shout out to Keith for being awesome. I now have some kolsch yeast.
This brew is on deck.
