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'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:42 pm
by KMcK
Sean and I are planning a saison and would like to do it right with regard to the bottling. Does anyone have saison/Unibroue/champagne bottles they could donate to the cause? Reusable wire baskets would help too. Does anyone have the right type of corker we could borrow?

K

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:54 pm
by Jmac00

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:00 pm
by KMcK
200?! We'll have to up production seriously.

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:21 pm
by mr x
I think a regular floor corker will do the trick with a couple easy modifications. You may need to get Belgian type corks as well. NG sells the plastic ones, but I'm not sure how great they are. They may only seal a narrow range of bottle sizes. Those high pressure bottles come in various neck diameters.

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:41 pm
by derek
mr x wrote:I think a regular floor corker will do the trick with a couple easy modifications. You may need to get Belgian type corks as well. NG sells the plastic ones, but I'm not sure how great they are. They may only seal a narrow range of bottle sizes. Those high pressure bottles come in various neck diameters.
Some floor corkers might work, but I can't see the one I have working. It (and others I've seen) compresses the cork to get it to slide into the neck - but the non-uniform width of the corks would make it difficult, if not impossible, to compress the bottom of the cork enough. Marta makes champagne, but never tried to use real corks. She used the plastic ones the first few times, but now we just use crown caps (they're a different size from regular beer caps, but Noble Grape can get them).

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:53 pm
by mr x
What you do is make a spacer so that a certain amount of the cork is left un-inserted into the bottle. Over time, this actually mushrooms out. This article shows a Colonna capper, but it also mentions that you can use a floor style wine corker with a stopper used to get the right spacing.

http://www.byo.com/stories/beer-styles/ ... g-belgians

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:35 pm
by KMcK
I have a floor corker. Its design is such that the entire cork needs to pass through the part that compresses the diameter. So if the head of the cork can't fit in the neck of the bottle it won't go through my corker. Does anyone have one more like the one in the article that I could borrow?

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:47 pm
by Jmac00
here's how to do it with a floor corker

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f35/corking ... er-137529/

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:11 pm
by mr x
Good writeup.

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:17 pm
by KMcK
My corker looks sort of like that but not quite. There's no way the head of the cork will pass through the bottom of the corker.

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:20 pm
by mr x
You know that the corks mushroom after they are inserted though. They look just like a wine cork (straight sides) until they are inserted into the bottle.

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:06 pm
by KMcK
No I didn't know that. My only experience is taking them out. This may be doable after all.

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:04 pm
by Jmac00

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:12 pm
by Seanstoppable
Did a test with the corks tonight. Floor corker does indeed work, as long as you are a little careful. Now to just brew the beer so we CAN cork it!

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:34 pm
by usstrejo
You just have to make sure you have a good cork soaker. Nothing beats a good cork soaker. Remember to soak the cork :lol:

Re: 'Tis the saison for bottles

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:40 pm
by mr x
I just did a trial with my el-cheapo wing type capper/corker, and it worked really well. Just use a hose clamp as a stop-nut on the plunger piston. Surprised the hell outta me.