Wort In Show - Victoria

[amartin]

What's the deal with the placings? The bock for instance, had two entries and one guy got third. Are there minimum scores needed to place second or third?

Oh, and congrats guys.

[mcgster]

Awesome, great work Mark!

The Lupulus Interruptus scored almost the same as the last competition and it was a new batch so i was pretty happy about that.

I also submitted a blonde ale which scored 30, not too bad really!

[GuingesRock]

They didn't like mine at all! Scored 18!!!!

Josh, I wouldn't get too worked up. I have 4 judging score sheets for "working Man" in front of me, two were from All About Ales, and two were from Brewnosers Judges that sent them to me from the Advent, all are from qualified BJCP judges and the scores are 43, 37, 41 and 38. Wort in show gave it 25 points!!!

It's a young competition.

I also got a bad score of 22 point for my Garrison porter and I think that's a very good one. I can't wait to see how it scores at Garrison. I'm not at all discouraged by that score as I don't think it's right.

[mcgster]

I think the transportation and handling might have caused some issues.

My northern english brown scored really low in this comp and it was bottle conditioned it dropped 10 points from the all about the ales comp

[RubberToe]

What's the deal with the placings? The bock for instance, had two entries and one guy got third. Are there minimum scores needed to place second or third?

Yes.

[RubberToe]

Congrats guys.

[GuingesRock]

Here's another oddity, "Three" scores 2 more points than Britannia, yet Britannia gets silver and Three only gets hon mention. Same class (IPA) and presumably same table as there were only seven entries in that class.

Black Gold dry stout gets more points than Britannia and Three, it's my highest scoring beer here, yet doesn't even get a mention in the stout section.

[GuingesRock]

They've consolidated it all now to living room morning, living room afternoon, kitchen evening etc. and done away with classes,

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Each group now has more entries in it.

[GuingesRock]

Here's another oddity, "Three" scores 2 more points than Britannia, yet Britannia gets silver and Three only gets hon mention. Same class (IPA) and presumably same table as there were only seven entries in that class.

Black Gold dry stout gets more points than Britannia and Three, it's my highest scoring beer here, yet doesn't even get a mention in the stout section.

I emailed Duncan and he got back right away. He's going to look into it. Nice guy.

[mcgster]

What were the scores for your IPAs?

Do you think they had multiple score sheets for each beer or just 1?

[GuingesRock]

33 and 35 and I don't know. I can't see on there whether they had BJCP judges. It often says when they do.

Here's Duncan's email.

Hi mark, I have noticed some consistency issues so I'm checking scores with judges.

However I do know that BJCP rules do state that score and medal positions are related but not equal, this allows a lower scoring but more difficult beer, cider, or mead to place above others.

That said it is unusual so I'm double checking.

Duncan

[CorneliusAlphonse]

If something was pushed on from a round to best of style, but only one from each round ,then It would be easy for that to have happened. Eg round one had the beer that ended up ckmjnt second. A different round had the one that came first along with your other beer. Since only one was pushed on, it would not have made it, even if it would have ended up coming second overall.

Also the best of show/style is kind of just the "overall impression" part of the scoring

[GuingesRock]

Correction - they say at least one BJCP judge. Sorry

Qualified judging of all entries is the primary goal of our event. Judges will evaluate and score each entry. The average of the scores will rank each entry in its category. Each flight will have at least one BJCP judge.

but according to that the score ranks the beer in the category.

[mcgster]

So the thought would be that the english IPA was given second in the category because its a harder style to brew than AIPA.

If that is the case the 3rd place AIPA must have scored a 36.

[GuingesRock]

This makes more sense now, I think.

Hi Mark,



I did some more looking into it, and talking to the judges, that instance was based solely off intangibles. There was only one English IPA so it was judged alongside the American IPA. The judges deemed it was a more enjoyable IPA alongside the others, although its lower score is caused from different judging parameters for a different style.

It would be nice to have a large enough competition that all beers can be judged against their own category so things like this don’t come up.



Hope that helps,


Duncan

[GuingesRock]

Another email, about the score ranking on one of the flights.

That said, there is an issue on one flight I am currently fixing, because it does break that rule – organizing is fun lol.


Duncan

[GasMD30]

Haha poor guy... Organizing is fun.

I'm disappointed in my beer's performance, but it has fuelled me to reevaluate my beer. I'll hopefully get some yeast samples out to some of you to critique the shit out of it

Josh

[GuingesRock]

I'm posting Duncan's latest email. It's good to understand how competitions work. Seems like they he's very concerned to do it right.

My pleasure Mark. I have also asked a panel of judge experts for a second opinion – the consensus is the same. “Judging flights with multiple categories is difficult and should be treated as mini-BOS flights. Scores should dictate which beers get into the mini-BOS but doesn’t guarantee medal placement due to intangibles.” So next season I get this out with more warning, and planning hoping for a larger competition to make this “easier” LOL

Congrats on the medal placing!



Duncan Blackman

Happy Homebrewer

[GuingesRock]

Josh, like Mark says, it could be travel and handling, possibly even handling at the other end. The difference with that distance for me is it went by air vs. truck.

I wonder what the conditions are like in a plane temperature wise.

Edit ....

What temperature is it in the baggage hold?

Danielle Hébert, Shefford, Québec
Many are surprised to hear that the cargo hold in the belly of an airliner is pressurized. Conditioned air is directed from the cabin, so the air tends to be a little cooler by the time it reaches the cargo areas, which are also less insulated than the cabin. Cargo temperatures vary in our fleet. The Boeing 767 maintains its baggage hold above 7˚C, but the bulk area (where animals are carried) can be heated above 18˚C. Controlled temperature cargo bins are also available when temperature-sensitive goods are being shipped.

[GuingesRock]

The results have been taken down this morning. All scores have been removed as well.
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[amartin]

So what's going on here? They listed placings by category, then replaced them with another grouping, and now they're gone completely? So what's the deal then, were the placings from before discarded?

[GuingesRock]

I think the placings were posted initially by class rather than by table, once they were posted by judging table it all made more sense, rather than a bronze only here and a silver only there. The tables were larger groups, the medals were the same and they fitted in with each other (bronze, silver, gold for each table), so it looked as though that's how the results were intended to be posted.

I think Duncan is trying to sort it all out. There's still a flight and bos to be judged I think.

I've never got so much excitement and anticipation from a competition, and it was free to enter!

I'm entering next year, if I'm still competing, but thinking of changing gears and concentrating on Cicerone studies.

[GuingesRock]

Correction - they say at least one BJCP judge. Sorry

Qualified judging of all entries is the primary goal of our event. Judges will evaluate and score each entry. The average of the scores will rank each entry in its category. Each flight will have at least one BJCP judge.

but according to that the score ranks the beer in the category.

The wording on the site has changed from the above to this. Seems reasonable.

Qualified judging of all entries is the primary goal of our event. Judges will evaluate and score each entry. The average of the scores will rank each entry in its category. Compressed categories will have medals awarded by the judges in a mini-BOS style, which means a lower scoring beer from a different category could win a higher rank if the judges agree it is a better beer than the higher scoring beer in a different category. Each flight will have at least one BJCP judge.

[mcgster]

Any clue whats happening with this?

[GuingesRock]

Any clue whats happening with this?

It's back up, and finished, congrats Mark, second in BOS with your IPA as well.

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I usually put my "Three" in as an APA, wanted to try it as an IPA in this one and see what happens, Chalmers told me it was as an APA, but I had to try it as an IPA, so it's going back to being an APA from now on.

Also got to try out my new English IPA. I haven't really made any English stuff that I liked before. It was encouraging that it placed here. I'm going to do some more studying on the English stuff. I've really liked the English Advent beers, and I have the British "Road to Cicerone" course to get through. It looks like that course involves a whole lot of tasting and making notes.

One thing leads to another [whistle emoticon].

Congrats again Mark