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Railcar Scottish Ale comp.

Post by dean2k » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:18 pm

Did anyone post this yet?

From ACBB:
• While on the topic of Railcar, they just announced details on their 1st Annual Railcar Brewing Home Brew-Off. Open to all homebrewers in the Maritimes, the competition style is Scottish Export (14C) from the new 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines. Entries must be all-grain (no kits, extracts or sugars are permitted), and will be evaluated in a blind tasting by a panel of non-BJCP judges. The winner will get the opportunity to brew their beer with Mitch as a full-sized batch on the Railcar system, for commercial release as a Railcar seasonal! Registration is $15; each participant will receive a special 2015 Railcar Brew-Off glass. Entries are due by Thursday, March 26th (six 341 to 500 mL bottles are required); the top four will be selected for final judging. Awards and prizes will be handed out the following Thursday, April 2nd. For more information on rules and prizes, check out the link above. Fire up those kettles, homebrewers!

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Post by gm- » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:50 pm

Interesting, might join in. Never made the style, but sounds like it would be decent winter session beer.

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Post by mcgster » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:16 pm

Thats crazy that you have to submit 6 x 500ml bottles, thats half a batch for me!

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Post by LiverDance » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:19 pm

mcgster wrote:Thats crazy that you have to submit 6 x 500ml bottles, thats half a batch for me!
Garrison rules say that as well this year.
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Post by GuingesRock » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:59 pm

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mcgster wrote:Thats crazy that you have to submit 6 x 500ml bottles, thats half a batch for me!
Garrison rules say that as well this year.
I said the F word then Brian. My beer is all in 341ml bottles. Then I checked the Garrison rules.
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Post by mcgster » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:59 pm

Yah i just did the same thing Mark lol

I don't bottle anything in 500ml bottles since i started brewing 2.5 gal batches.

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Post by akr71 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:00 pm

Can someone point me to where Scottish Export is #14C and not Imperial IPA. Why would they frig with numbers so much from 2008 to 2014?

Never mind... found a draft version http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2014%20BJCP%20 ... AFT%29.pdf
It even says "Do Not Use in Competitions"
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Post by gm- » Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:18 pm

So 2014 rules tell you to avoid kettle caramelization at all cost while 2008 encourages it. Tricky stuff.

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Post by chalmers » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:41 am

The draft still says "Do Not Use", but elsewhere on the BJCP site, it says that they can be used if the organizer wants to. However, this isn't a BJCP-sanctioned event, for whatever reason.

Good pick up, gm-, could affect the taste quite a bit.

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Post by mcgster » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:54 am

gm- wrote:So 2014 rules tell you to avoid kettle caramelization at all cost while 2008 encourages it. Tricky stuff.
Yah you wouldn't be a happy camper if you went for a 120 minute boil to nail the caramelization and got dinged on it b/c of the change in the style guidelines!

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Post by jacinthebox » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:20 am

We are gonna send our 3 Scots & a Frenchman
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Post by akr71 » Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:25 pm

As much as I like brewing & drinking Scottish Ales, I think I may pass. My recipe (which has won for me in the past) is based on the old style guidelines and big on the kettle carmelization. Oh, I'm also not keen on giving away 6 500ml bottles...
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Post by mcgster » Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:30 pm

It doesn't look like you will be getting bjcp style feedback from this event either. It says you will be getting written feedback from the brewer but I'm really apprehensive sending beer to a non bjcp event after the ridiculous feedback from the NL comp.


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Post by chalmers » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:20 pm

akr71 wrote:As much as I like brewing & drinking Scottish Ales, I think I may pass. My recipe (which has won for me in the past) is based on the old style guidelines and big on the kettle carmelization. Oh, I'm also not keen on giving away 6 500ml bottles...
In the ACBB blurb quoted in the first post, we said 6 bottles 341-650 would be acceptable. This is direct from Mitch.

As for the kettle vs not caramelization, I'd say that the new style guideline is more "traditional" (whatever that means), so the caramel character should be coming from the malt. Having said that, I'd find it difficult to parse the two out on judging day.

I've emailed Mitch with the other questions brought up here and on FB, and will report back.

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Post by akr71 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:20 pm

^ thanks Chalmers. Still pretty much on the fence - I've never brewed without Scotch Ale yeast and I'm not sure I have the patience to work up a starter from old slurry.
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Post by chalmers » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:28 pm

Received more info from Mitch:
- The "Brewing Sheet Attached" is an indication to attach your own brewing sheet. So your BeerSmith/ProBrewer print out, or handwritten recipe.
- Scoresheets will be returned. Wasn't able to tell if these are the standard BJCP sheets, or something else, but at least you will receive blind, impartial, feedback.

Anything I've missed? I invited Mitch to check out this thread, so he may be in to comment directly.

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Post by mcgster » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:29 am

Just curious if anyone brewed up a scottish export for this competition and will be shipping out some beer?

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Post by dean2k » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:47 am

mcgster wrote:Just curious if anyone brewed up a scottish export for this competition and will be shipping out some beer?
I was hoping to but ... Life and stuff. Good luck.
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Post by mcgster » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:47 am

Did anyone end up sending beer into this?

I brewed a batch to send off but decided against sending it on monday.

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Post by jacinthebox » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:26 am

nope...comps are on hold for a bit
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Post by gm- » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:51 am

Wasn't that happy with mine, so I didn't submit it, might send it to the Brewnosers one just to see if it is at least to style.

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