12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

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12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

Post by KB1138 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:26 pm

For 20l

4kg pils malt
800g Rye
800g Vienna
30g Northern Brewer @60
3724 Wyeast Saison yeast

OG. 1.066
FG. 1.001
ABV 8.6
IBU 30


At high krausen I fed in 1lb of dark Candi syrup. I really should have put it in at the end of the boil but I forgot, so it was added later. Didn't get quite the colour or flavour contributions I was looking for but you can't win them all I guess.

After 10 of primary days I pitched Brett brux and let it sit for about three months before bottling. Enjoy!
On tap:Mango Berliner Weisse
Bottled: Baltic Porter, Brett Saison, Dumb Idea Stouts, Sahti
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Re: 12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

Post by oceanic_brew » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:50 pm

Pumped for this one


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Post by Halifax_Jeff » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 pm

Enjoyed this one. Thanks for sharing! something with Brett is on my list.

What temp did you ferment at?

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Post by Buccaneer » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:07 pm

I wasn't crazy about this one. I was surprised at how many of the ingredients I picked out, so that was cool. It all seemed pretty clean, although it's hard to tell because of the saison yeast and brett. For me, though, it was too busy. I also found the alcohol taste a bit too much.

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Post by SFR709 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:31 pm

I appreciate the complexity of the procedure and aging involved for this one, especially since I haven’t used brett myself. But to be honest I didn’t really enjoy it, the smell was off putting for me (again it may be a brett thing) and I found the taste over sweet. It’s entirely possible though that I’m just not familiar with the style. Certainly not throwing rocks as I’ll be living in a glass house come the 20th.


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Post by oceanic_brew » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:49 pm

I'm not sure if the Brett brought something unfavorable to this for me or if it was just some fermentation byproducts that weren't cleaned up. I would really like to see what this beer could do with another 3 months on the Brett.

It seems as though there's a bit too much going on between the saison yeast and the Brett as well but when it both comes together it's doin a disservice to the procedure for sure.

I've never heard of someone aging on Brett after a saison yeast. Maybe it's common I don't know but I figure you would want some food for the brett left around? I really don't know

I still drank it and enjoyed it so there ya go!

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Re: 12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

Post by John G » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:50 pm

This one has some nice Belgian saison aromas (peppery/ clove spiciness)and was pretty high alcohol in the flavour, not as much on the nose though, so not too "hot" or harsh. I think the Brett character was restrained, more was present the aroma than in the flavour, and I'd probably try to give it more time on the Brett to see if it would dry out some more. It had a bit of astringency in the finish, but not too harsh, just sort of like a robust red wine type of tannins. It's seems like a young saison - particularly for the high alcohol. Like what Buccaneer said, the flavours were all there, just not melded together but standing apart on their own. Age may allow this to develop into a more complex beer.

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Post by darciandjenn » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 am

I liked the Brett character in this one quite a lot, but as others have mentioned, it may have benefited form more time with the Brett to dry it out, as I did find it a tad sweet.

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Post by sheppard107 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:42 am

I enjoyed it. 'Nuff said.
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Re: 12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

Post by Broob » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:57 am

darciandjenn wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 am
I liked the Brett character in this one quite a lot, but as others have mentioned, it may have benefited form more time with the Brett to dry it out, as I did find it a tad sweet.
dry out? Didn't this finish at 0.001?
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Post by darciandjenn » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:24 am

Looking at the recipe, yes, I see that. LOL

But it did taste sweet to me so... ??

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Post by John G » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:39 am

Broob wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:57 am
darciandjenn wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 am
I liked the Brett character in this one quite a lot, but as others have mentioned, it may have benefited form more time with the Brett to dry it out, as I did find it a tad sweet.
dry out? Didn't this finish at 0.001?
I know, but I still got sweetness / fullness mouthfeel. Saw that it was at 1.001 and wonder why it can still be sweet.

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Post by KB1138 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:14 pm

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I agree the beer is still young, I was hoping a large pitch if Brett and warm temps would get the job done in three months, but it still hasn't gotten to where I'd like it. Thankfully this was a double batch and I still have 40+ bottles to sit on. As for the sweetness I think that's a combination of the fruity esters and the high ABV. It does come across as quite sweet for a 1.001 FG
On tap:Mango Berliner Weisse
Bottled: Baltic Porter, Brett Saison, Dumb Idea Stouts, Sahti
Fermenting: NEDIPA
Planning: Too many to list

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Re: 12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

Post by oceanic_brew » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:34 pm

John G wrote:
Broob wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:57 am
darciandjenn wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 am
I liked the Brett character in this one quite a lot, but as others have mentioned, it may have benefited form more time with the Brett to dry it out, as I did find it a tad sweet.
dry out? Didn't this finish at 0.001?
I know, but I still got sweetness / fullness mouthfeel. Saw that it was at 1.001 and wonder why it can still be sweet.

Keep this in mind for when you drink dec 30th


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Post by Broob » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:51 pm

Just getting around to this one. I like this, the Brett is there but not in the way. Not getting anything sweet. Thanks
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Post by CartoonCod » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:20 pm

I’m enjoying this. Also surprised by the full mouthfeel for such a low FG. Maybe more carbonation would help out with this perception (they say low bodied English ales benefit from low carb to help increase the mouthfeel, maybe you need the opposite). I also think given a bit more time the Brett and the saison flavours might combine better, or you just might end up with a lot of Brett. Good thing you have lots of bottles you will get to see this evolution!


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Post by CartoonCod » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:42 pm

I’m enjoying this. Also surprised by the full mouthfeel for such a low FG. Maybe more carbonation would help out with this perception (they say low bodied English ales benefit from low carb to help increase the mouthfeel, maybe you need the opposite). I also think given a bit more time the Brett and the saison flavours might combine better, or you just might end up with a lot of Brett. Good thing you have lots of bottles you will get to see this evolution!


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Re: 12 December exchange beer. Bonne Année

Post by HoweFox » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:55 pm

Interesting beer! To be honest not really enjoying it. The finish is a bit medicinal and a bit dry. Still worth trying it. Thanks.

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