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Re: At long last...

Post by mckay75 » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:37 am

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Keith wrote:What is your efficiency set at? With 0.035 I'm getting in around 72%. Are you also stirring your mash or vourlafing?

It's set at 70% right now...but I've lost confidence in Beersmith completely. I'll typically stir about half way through and also have been recirculating before a while before draining it into the boil kettle.
Only thing I can see is your volume is off slightly, or your boil off rate isn't dialed in.

I think I'll go back to basics and boil some water this weekend for an hour and do some calculating again. Thanks!

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Re: At long last...

Post by LeafMan66_67 » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:10 am

mckay75 wrote:
I think I'll go back to basics and boil some water this weekend for an hour and do some calculating again. Thanks!
FWIW, whenever I've had any real issues with being off a few points, 95% of the time, I've traced it back to volumes. The other 5% for me is usually user error when weighing grains.
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Re: At long last...

Post by John G » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:11 pm

If you are using the false bottom and recirculating your mash and you're getting stuck mashes and low or all-over-the-place efficiencies, you may want to look at your roller mill gap and your water:grain ratio, which was what I figured out for my HERMS system. My mill gap was around 0.035 and I was using 2L/Kg mash water/grain ratio in my former batch sparge setup. With the HERMS system, this lead to difficulties getting the water to flow, stuck sparges, and efficiencies that ranged from 68 - 74%, and totally unpredictable. For recirc HERMS, it's a bit counter-intuitive, but wider mill gap and higher water:grain ratio improves efficiency. I think it has to do with the fact that more water means the grains are flushed through better than with a lower water:grain ratio. The higher mill gap helps with water flow as well.

My current settings are a 0.045" mill gap and 3.13L/kg water:grain ratio. This gives me a pretty consistent 85% efficiency with the pump running full flow. Prior to that with smaller mill gaps and lower water:grain ratios was super frustrating both in terms of the brewing process and hitting my numbers. Not sure if this will help, but good luck dialling in your system. Enjoy the process!

Edit: I also forgot to mention that I add 2L to my mash tun first, and then calculate water:grain. That 2L is just the void below the false bottom in my keggle and I exclude it from my calcs. I also have to add 3 L to my total boil volume to end up with the same final pitch volume since my kettle leaves behind more liquid compared to when I gravity syphoned it out in my old propane burner heated kettle. I currently pump out of my kettle through a plate chiller to my fermentor and lose about 3-4L from hops and leftover liquid in the kettle.

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Re: At long last...

Post by jtmwhyte » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:15 pm

Also, don't get discouraged by having to tinker. Remember visiting my place and being impressed by how slick my system is? Yeah... that took me 3+ years and many subpar batches to dial in. I even tried others in the interim and kept coming back to my current setup because it is so simple. Keep plugging away and adjust your grain bills to compensate. I also agree with volume comments. For a while I thought I was getting low efficiency when I was really getting too much volume after the boil.

One of the beauty parts of electric is being able to dial in a consistent boil off. Don't be afraid to potentially boil off "too much" a few times until you get it dialed in. Also, graduate your fermenters! It was a bit of a pain in the ass, but after I did it I could see how much volume I should be shooting for and judge how much was left in the keggle as it was coming out, thus adjusting my water each time at the beginning of the process.
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Re: At long last...

Post by mckay75 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:14 am

Thanks guys! All great suggestions! I'm going to spend a bit of time this week and make a check list with the suggestions mentioned here and go through them on my system! Many thanks for the input...I appreciate it!

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Re: At long last...

Post by mckay75 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:28 am

Update...

After firing my system up for the first time at the end of October and brewing just shy of 100 Gal of beer on it since then...I finally had my ah- ha moment last night! I've got beersmith figured and setup properly to match my equipment and hit my numbers on both quantity and gravity for pre and post boil. I've made a few changes and additions along the way (I acquired a free 70 qt mashtun...so I made the switch from BIAB to BIAC - which is great...allows me to do afternoon mashes) and adding a counterflow chiller. I couldn't be happier right now! Thanks to everyone who had input and suggestions...it's been a huge help!
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Re: At long last...

Post by Woody » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:09 pm

Mckay75 = Brew demon. Your hard work is paying off.

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