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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by jeffsmith » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:06 am

CorneliusAlphonse wrote:I brewed an IPA last week,10 gallons, fifteen minutes to chill with my 25' immersion chiller, then gravity drain to fermentor. I figure 10 gallons is the break even point, where they take the same amount of time
I'd agree with that for sure. I think equipment selection all comes down to preference.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by LeafMan66_67 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:05 am

I've mentioned this one before, but I've had an immersion chiller, homemade counter flow, cheap 10-plate chiller and now Chillzilla counter flow.

While Chillzilla is great, if I was to do it all over again, I'd have an immersion chiller with a pump for circulation. Easy to clean, no worries on clogging and works well for 5 to 10g batches.
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:03 pm

I still don`t know what to do. Considering my tap water is pretty cold, would a 10 plate chiller without a pump be enough to chill 15G of wort in less then 20 mins?

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by jtmwhyte » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:06 pm

donking wrote:I still don`t know what to do. Considering my tap water is pretty cold, would a 10 plate chiller without a pump be enough to chill 15G of wort in less then 20 mins?
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by CorneliusAlphonse » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:17 pm

Gravity chilling (ie with no pump) might be kinda slow
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by RossBee » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:49 pm

Go with a counter flow. Easy to clean and sterilize, no clogs as longs as you use a pump. Sterilize during whirl pooling. 10 Gallon batch in less than 10 minutes to pitching temp.
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by LeafMan66_67 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:03 pm

donking wrote:I still don`t know what to do. Considering my tap water is pretty cold, would a 10 plate chiller without a pump be enough to chill 15G of wort in less then 20 mins?
Try and sit in on a few brew days with different folks - you will quickly find out what you like and dislike before buying your gear.
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Tue May 05, 2015 10:35 am

Just received this from dave https://www.everwoodavebrewshop.com/pro ... 19-gallon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 3 piece ball valve with bazooka screen.

For wort chilling I am thinking of buying this:
https://www.canuckhomebrewsupply.com/co ... t-chiller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For the burner, this:
http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/KAB6_Bay ... p/kab6.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just trying to get the best deal out there for good gear.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by LeafMan66_67 » Tue May 05, 2015 12:07 pm

donking wrote:Just received this from dave https://www.everwoodavebrewshop.com/pro ... 19-gallon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 3 piece ball valve with bazooka screen.

For wort chilling I am thinking of buying this:
https://www.canuckhomebrewsupply.com/co ... t-chiller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For the burner, this:
http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/KAB6_Bay ... p/kab6.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just trying to get the best deal out there for good gear.
If you are looking to spend less, and if you are handy at all, you should be able to build that chiller for a bit cheaper. I made a 25' counter flow with 3/8" copper (Rona) and 3/4" high temp rubber hose (Canadian Tire) along with some fittings for somewhere in the $75-$100 range after adding some fittings and such. Assembly was probably an hour at the most.
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Tue May 05, 2015 12:25 pm

Things I need to build a counterflow wort chiller: anything missing?

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by AllanMar » Tue May 05, 2015 4:44 pm

With the everwood kit you don't really need to solder. Also shop around for copper tubing, the price can vary.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by Woody » Tue May 05, 2015 6:39 pm

donking wrote:Thanks, now for a burner. I saw this online http://www.amazon.ca/Bayou-Classic-KAB4 ... you+burner" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; from the reviews and comments I saw this is a real beast. Would this be required for a 19G brew kettle of it's an overkill?
If you are still looking at a Banjo Cooker spend the extra few bucks and order the KAB6. I hated it at first but now I have in dialed in. I get two 10-12 gallons batches per 20 lbs tank and it heats up in no time. You have to put the propane cylinder in a bucket or old fermentation pale of water to prevent the burner from freezing up and flaming out . The 30 psi regulator sucks so much propane this will prevent that from happening. Also I bought a piece of aluminum to wrap around the pot. Surprisingly it doesn't melt or warp and cools quickly but this helped me block the wind and I get allot more mileage from a propane tank. I can get my well water from 10 C to strike temp in 10-15 mins. Also double batch brews days are much faster and getting things to a boil is easy. X)

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Tue May 05, 2015 6:49 pm

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donking wrote:Thanks, now for a burner. I saw this online http://www.amazon.ca/Bayou-Classic-KAB4 ... you+burner" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; from the reviews and comments I saw this is a real beast. Would this be required for a 19G brew kettle of it's an overkill?
If you are still looking at a Banjo Cooker spend the extra few bucks and order the KAB6. I hated it at first but now I have in dialed in. I get two 10-12 gallons batches per 20 lbs tank and it heats up in no time. You have to put the propane cylinder in a bucket or old fermentation pale of water to prevent the burner from freezing up and flaming out . The 30 psi regulator sucks so much propane this will prevent that from happening. Also I bought a piece of aluminum to wrap around the pot. Surprisingly it doesn't melt or warp and cools quickly but this helped me block the wind and I get allot more mileage from a propane tank. I can get my well water from 10 C to strike temp in 10-15 mins. Also double batch brews days are much faster and getting things to a boil is easy. X)

Thanks, yep the kab6 is the one I am buying since I will make 10-15g batches

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by Keith » Wed May 06, 2015 7:39 am

Derek able to show a pic with the aluminum shield setup?
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by Swine » Wed May 06, 2015 8:04 am

If you know of someone getting rid of a hot water heater, the outer skin of that makes a great wind blocker.
It is already semi-formed, but can be put flat for storage.
My dad had one kicking around, he cut a 3 foot high piece off for me, works great.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Wed May 06, 2015 12:44 pm

LeafMan66_67 wrote:
donking wrote:Just received this from dave https://www.everwoodavebrewshop.com/pro ... 19-gallon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 3 piece ball valve with bazooka screen.

For wort chilling I am thinking of buying this:
https://www.canuckhomebrewsupply.com/co ... t-chiller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For the burner, this:
http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/KAB6_Bay ... p/kab6.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just trying to get the best deal out there for good gear.
If you are looking to spend less, and if you are handy at all, you should be able to build that chiller for a bit cheaper. I made a 25' counter flow with 3/8" copper (Rona) and 3/4" high temp rubber hose (Canadian Tire) along with some fittings for somewhere in the $75-$100 range after adding some fittings and such. Assembly was probably an hour at the most.
I searched a long time on the internet for a high temp 3/4 inch hose, could not find any. maybe I just dont know how to search :(

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by RossBee » Wed May 06, 2015 1:03 pm

I've been using standard braided hose for almost a year, no issues. I circulate boiling wort for about 10 minutes prior to turning the cooling water on, the hose hasn't even gone white on me yet. Should I ever experience some sort of failure of the hose, it's really no cost to replace it and it's readily available.
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Post by RubberToe » Wed May 06, 2015 1:27 pm

donking wrote: I searched a long time on the internet for a high temp 3/4 inch hose, could not find any. maybe I just dont know how to search :(
I got mine at Princess Auto.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by AllanMar » Wed May 06, 2015 4:43 pm

RubberToe wrote:
donking wrote: I searched a long time on the internet for a high temp 3/4 inch hose, could not find any. maybe I just dont know how to search :(
I got mine at Princess Auto.

Sent from the brew timer.
Me too. It's also available other places, aka Heater Hose.

http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/3 ... -p4240255e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you can't find it in the store, ask/give them the number from the website. They had to get it from out back when I bought it.

Not sure youd want to re-use the cooling water for brewing though.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by Woody » Wed May 06, 2015 5:01 pm

Keith wrote:Derek able to show a pic with the aluminum shield setup?
Yes sir! I'll dig it out after supper and upload a pic. It's nothing special but works great. I picked up a scrap piece at Kingston Aluminum here in Truro for 7 bucks.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Wed May 06, 2015 5:33 pm

Thanks guys!

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by Woody » Wed May 06, 2015 7:06 pm

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Keith as requested! My 19 gallon pot was in use so I threw my 15 gallon one on for optics. I use two clothes pins to clip the aluminum sheet together in the front so I can read the thermometer. Like I mentioned in the pervious post the aluminum doesn't warp or melt which surprised me. It cools off within a few mins and will save you money on propane. For those not familiar with this beast the KAB6 throws out 210,000 btu's and might seem like overkill but a 3.5 to 4 hour brew day for a 6 gallon batch speaks for itself. I rarely turn in up past half way. The larger batches don't take that much longer to heat up. :cheers2:
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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Wed May 06, 2015 7:15 pm

Can`t wait to order that beast hehe

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by Woody » Wed May 06, 2015 7:18 pm

OBK has free shipping if you spend $200, your order weighs less than 40 lbs and is in one box. I'm sure you could fill the basket with a few more items.

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Re: Switching to all grain

Post by donking » Wed May 06, 2015 8:51 pm

Yep that`s the plan :pow:

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