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BIAB Lift System

Post by Stoker » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:30 am

Stumbled across this while looking for gear for my first BIAB adventure. Might be helpful. Canadian tire sells same thing for $10.00 more. In the CDN Tire reviews one says the sh_ts while a whole bunch say good pulley system. Maybe worth a look to save the arms when hoisting out the brew bag.

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Re: BIAB Lift System

Post by akr71 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:25 pm

hmm, a full carboy is probably more than 50lbs... I'm thinking of putting in a pulley lift system above my keezer for the odd time I want to lager. I think I need something a little stronger though.
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Post by jeffsmith » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:35 pm

I'm thinking that either of you could maybe rig something up with a come along:

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Post by bluenose » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:08 pm

how do you control the descent? I picture the whole thing crashing down once the lever is released
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Post by jeffsmith » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:11 pm

bluenose wrote:how do you control the descent? I picture the whole thing crashing down once the lever is released
That's a good point, hadn't thought that far ahead. :slap:

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Re: BIAB Lift System

Post by derek » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:56 pm

Yes, a full carboy is a bit more than 50lbs. But I'd bet it's not enough more to really be a problem. Those hooks look like the most likely point of failure

I had a beautiful system hooked up in my wine cellar in the last place I owned. Three levels of shelves, a pulley hanging from a barn-door slider, and a boat-trailer winch. I could pick up a 5-gallon carboy and place it on any part of the 8' shelf (upper shelves were removable so that you could lower through them to the lower levels.
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Post by bluenose » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:09 pm

1 litre of water weighs 1 kg or 2.2 lbs
therefore a 23 litre batch of water weighs 50.6 lbs
wort is a little denser than water, but you're still pretty close

I think they err on the side of caution when they rate the strength on things
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Post by derek » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:49 pm

bluenose wrote:1 litre of water weighs 1 kg or 2.2 lbs
therefore a 23 litre batch of water weighs 50.6 lbs
wort is a little denser than water, but you're still pretty close

I think they err on the side of caution when they rate the strength on things
...and an empty carboy weighs? Enough to put it well over 50lbs.
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Post by bluenose » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:19 pm

I was thinking white bucket, but yeah carboy puts it definitely over the top
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Post by thirdeye » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:00 pm

this system would just be for lifting the bag full of spent grain and the liquid trapped in them. so for a 23l batch you're looking at 10lb of grain and probably 15lb of water. so this lift *would* work. Probably cheaper to buy a few pulleys and some climbing rope and rig your own though. Probably worth over building it too, cause cleaning up steaming hot grain and sticky wort sucks.

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Re: BIAB Lift System

Post by derek » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:12 am

bluenose wrote:I was thinking white bucket, but yeah carboy puts it definitely over the top
Well, I don't lift plastic pails more than once - fill them from the brew kettle (or grape press), then lift them to a shelf to brew, but we often have wine in 5 gallon carboys for years, so they tend to get moved around a lot.

If you're lifting pails by the handle, I pretty much expect the handle to be the first point of failure. I really wouldn't worry about a 50lb hoist for that.
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Post by ottiscan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:36 pm

I exchanged a few ideas with GuingesRock earlier I put together a tripod with 2X4's. A few pictures attached.

It supports my weight so a bag of grain isn't going to break it.

I used the top of a primary bucket as a template for the 3/4 inch plywood circle then screwed (from above) and glued three C-shaped leg mounts at 120 degrees to each other to the bottom. The legs meet the C-shaped mounts at 60 and 30 degrees (I think) and sit flush with 90 degree angle in the mount.

Three bolts hold the legs to the top and it comes apart fairly easily.
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Post by Jimmy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:47 pm

Nice work!

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Post by ottiscan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:51 pm

Ha. Thanks, it really was easy to put together.

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Post by GuingesRock » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:22 am

Very neat and well made. If it was painted and had a large model of a mug of beer sitting on the top platform, it would make it a nice landmark for a proud home brewer to have outside his house :). The washing line post behind it makes me wonder if a hangman's gallows sort of setup might work too, not high enough I know, and the neighbours are probably already wondering what you are up to :)
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Post by ottiscan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:51 am

Not a bad idea. I mean the landmark part. ha. The legs are 10' 2X4's so it's around 8 or 8.5' tall. I thought about doing the yardarm thing you mentioned using that post but you're right it isn't quite high enough. And ya one neighbor was staring at it pretty hard already. I didn't explain it to him, I'll let him stew on it a while.

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Post by GAM » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:11 am

I like it. Are they 8' 2x4?

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Post by ottiscan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:15 am

They're 10 foot 2x4's so it's plenty tall over the burner and kettle.

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Post by GuingesRock » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:29 am

Ottiscan, Is that your greenhouse? have you brewed in there when the weather is bad?
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Post by ottiscan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:54 am

That is actually my woodshed. It drys firewood out amazingly. I do use it to harden of transplants in the spring, it's full of wood at the moment.

I will be using it to brew in since there will be room in there when I move some wood inside.

I posted a few more pics in the do it yourself section, thinking that might be a good spot for the tripod pictures.

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Post by ottiscan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:00 am

Here's a couple pics of the woodshed. It's a bow-roof shed made from a design from Stimson Marine in Maine. Very inexpensive to put up and uses 1X4 strapping to make the arches. Very strong.
It faces south so the wood heats up and the hot air vents out the top drawing cool air in the bottom. It is 9' tall at the center and plenty of room for doing a brew.
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Post by GuingesRock » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:35 am

Looks great! Maybe another one for a brew house for the winter? :)
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Post by mr x » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:50 am

Nice building! Have you seen anybody using them as greenhouses?
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Post by ottiscan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:59 am

Hey Mr. X

They are used as greenhouses quite often. Here's where I got the plans,

http://www.by-the-sea.com/stimsonmarine/bowroof.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you google search bow roof sheds there's lots of them out there.

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Post by GuingesRock » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:28 pm

Ottiscan...sorry I get a bit bored at work sometimes :( I was wondering if you rounded the tops of those 2x4s, if the legs could be folded in for easy stowing, like a camera tripod, when not in use, to save having to undo the bolts each time. I suppose then you might need spikes on the feet or ropes between the legs or something to stop the legs splaying.
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