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Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:59 am
by GillettBreweryCnslt
Hey Everyone,
Here's a poll for everyone, would you rather me bring in iodophor (
http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/wp-con ... rTech2.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) or saniclean (
http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/wp-con ... nTech1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
I'm working on star-san but it's not happening for a bit
However I'll have PBW and FermCap S in 2 weeks!
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:08 pm
by Keggermeister
I use iodophor or betadyne, and really strong caustic.
If you found teat wash (lanolin free) it will be WAY cheaper.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:22 pm
by jacinthebox
I use PBW and Star-San
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:28 pm
by GAM
jacinthebox wrote:I use PBW and Star-San
Same
Is Saniclean no rinse?
Sandy
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:33 pm
by amartin
I use iodophor for sanitizing bottles.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:26 pm
by RubberToe
GAM wrote:Is Saniclean no rinse?
I'm not sure what the official word is but that spec sheet mentioned rinsing.
I'd love to try "One Step" which is a no rinse cleaner and sanitiser (at a specific concentration) for CIP with my kegs.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:34 pm
by LeafMan66_67
GAM wrote:
Is Saniclean no rinse?
Sandy
From the spec sheet:
Brewing Tanks – Once the equipment has been properly cleaned make up a final acid
anionic rinse using SANICLEAN as follows: In every barrel of water add 11 fluid ounces,
circulate for a minimum of 3 minutes at ambient temperatures. Just prior to start-up rinse with
potable water and follow state and local Health Department regulations covering start up
sanitation.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:11 pm
by GuingesRock
RubberToe wrote:
I'd love to try "One Step" which is a no rinse cleaner and sanitiser (at a specific concentration) for CIP with my kegs.
I've been using it for 8 months without problems. Takes me 6 minutes to clean and sanitize a keg. Redoubt timed me when they were here.
Only place you can get it in Canada is:
http://homebrewsupplies.ca/product/1314 ... anser-5lb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wish Dave would get some in. Would be much cheaper as those people are expensive generally.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:27 pm
by RubberToe
GuingesRock wrote:I've been using it for 8 months without problems. Takes me 6 minutes to clean and sanitize a keg. Redoubt timed me when they were here.
That's awesome, I have to 1) run PBW through my kegs, 2) change to bucket of water and rinse, 3) change to bucket of starsan, 4) watch pump foam starsan like crazy. It's only economical if I'm doing 4+ kegs at once. Time savings of using a pump to clean kegs isn't great here.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:03 pm
by GillettBreweryCnslt
GuingesRock wrote:RubberToe wrote:
I'd love to try "One Step" which is a no rinse cleaner and sanitiser (at a specific concentration) for CIP with my kegs.
I've been using it for 8 months without problems. Takes me 6 minutes to clean and sanitize a keg. Redoubt timed me when they were here.
Only place you can get it in Canada is:
http://homebrewsupplies.ca/product/1314 ... anser-5lb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wish Dave would get some in. Would be much cheaper as those people are expensive generally.
One Step is not going to happen. Here are 2 of the 5 criteria for getting a vendor account with LD Carlson (the manufacture of one-step)
"We do not sell to clubs, individuals, home-operated or internet/mail order only-businesses. We are interested in businesses that can properly represent our products to sell in a retail location."
"Retail and on-premise stores must provide a copy of their Federal Tax ID notice and the address or general area of their proposed location. Store location must be commercially zoned and have a retail storefront. Retailers meeting our qualifications are subject to approval based on the quality of the location and the proximity to like businesses. Retailers are subject to a $2000.00 first order minimum that must be prepaid. Order frequency and quantity are subject to annual minimum requirements and must be fulfilled to keep your account active once approved."
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:08 pm
by RubberToe
Their loss. I hate that backward, the customer is the enemy, attitude.
It makes me want to formulate my own one step.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:09 pm
by GuingesRock
RubberToe wrote:GuingesRock wrote:I've been using it for 8 months without problems. Takes me 6 minutes to clean and sanitize a keg. Redoubt timed me when they were here.
That's awesome, I have to 1) run PBW through my kegs, 2) change to bucket of water and rinse, 3) change to bucket of starsan, 4) watch pump foam starsan like crazy. It's only economical if I'm doing 4+ kegs at once. Time savings of using a pump to clean kegs isn't great here.
I leave my kegs pressurized with dregs until cleaning day. I clean them in the shower with a rubber mat in there. 1) I put a tablespoon of 1 step in the washbasin with some warm water 2) take the lid off separate gasket from lid and put both in the wash basin to soak 3) swill the dregs in the keg out with some warm water and tip down the toilet which is right by the shower, repeat that another couple of times 4) put 3 tablespoons of 1-step in the keg and fill with warm water from the shower hoze (spray removed) rocking the keg as it fills to swill the fluid and dissolve the one step 5) put lid on and pressurize 6) put a line on the gas post to run solution through it. 7) reconnect CO2 and then run through the liquid posts. At this point I am cleaning my lines which all have cobra taps on them, by hooking them up to the liquid post, or the Blichman gun will get a cleaning if it needs it 8) lay the keg on the kitchen floor on its side for an hour or two and rotate 180 degrees with your foot when you walk past it 9) leave the one step solution in the keg untill kegging day and then just dump it.
1 Step uses hydrogen peroxide to clean and sanitize and that the degrades into the oxygen on water which are obviously completely safe. 1 step also contains minerals which breakdown and are similar to Burton water salts. No need to rinse.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:37 pm
by GillettBreweryCnslt
OK, I've made a few phone calls and while I can't get One-Step I can get what is essentially the same thing from one of my distributors.
The description is "Oxy-San™ Sanitizer is an eco-friendly, non toxic, biodegradable, sterilizer. It is 3 times stronger than sulphite, but contains no sulphites, soaps or phosphates. Dissolve 1 tbsp. (15g) in 1 gallon (4L) of hot water. Rinse equipment with Oxy-San™ solution and empty out excess. No need to rinse equipment. Residue contains brewing nutrients. Solution is non-effective after 12 hours. Contains: Hydrogen peroxide, disodium salt, magnesium sulphate."
Price will be $4.99 a lb.
Want me to bring it in?
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:18 pm
by adams81
I would buy that.
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Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:57 pm
by Jimmy
Product Description
EPA REGISTERED ACID SANITIZER
OxySan is an EPA registered peracetic acid solution for the pipeline, tanks and CIP systems. OxySan’s no-rinse, non-foaming formula and its ability to sanitize at cold temperatures make it ideally suited for use in CIP systems. OxySan is used at low concentrations to rapidly kill a broad spectrum of micro-organisms including gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria. It is more tolerant than most sanitizers to pH, temperature, water hardness, and organic soils.
OxySan liquid sanitizer is highly effective, economical and environmentally acceptable. The acidic formula is effective for removing mineral deposits and is low in corrosivity on stainless steel. In a dairy plant study of peracetic acid versus chlorine sanitizer performance, researchers found a significant increase in milk shelf life with peracetic acid sanitizers (OxySan).
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:59 pm
by AllanMar
I like sani-clean because it's supposed to be the non-foaming equivalent to star-san which Im a big fan of. I want to be able to pump it with my keg cleaner without a ton of foam.
I've heard mixed things about one-step as a sanitizer, most people regard it as more of a cleaner (but thats all anecdotal, im sure it a good sanitizer too). I've tried it a few times as I had it come with kits, and found it didn't quite seem to be as effective as PBW for heavily soiled fermentors but it was still pretty good (i still hit with star-san afterwards out of habit though).
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:03 pm
by GuingesRock
Dave, you can get 1 step wholesale from here:
http://www.ldcarlson.com/public%20catal ... r%2007.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:05 pm
by AllanMar
EverwoodAveBrewShop wrote:
One Step is not going to happen. Here are 2 of the 5 criteria for getting a vendor account with LD Carlson (the manufacture of one-step)
"We do not sell to clubs, individuals, home-operated or internet/mail order only-businesses. We are interested in businesses that can properly represent our products to sell in a retail location."
"Retail and on-premise stores must provide a copy of their Federal Tax ID notice and the address or general area of their proposed location. Store location must be commercially zoned and have a retail storefront. Retailers meeting our qualifications are subject to approval based on the quality of the location and the proximity to like businesses. Retailers are subject to a $2000.00 first order minimum that must be prepaid. Order frequency and quantity are subject to annual minimum requirements and must be fulfilled to keep your account active once approved."
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:12 pm
by GuingesRock
I know for a fact that they supply Toronto Brewing Supplies and Canadian Home brew supplies. Both are online stores similar to Everwood, and Everwood does have a store. I'd make a fuss if they didn't give you an account and ask why.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:32 pm
by redoubt
EverwoodAveBrewShop wrote:
The description is "Oxy-San™ Sanitizer ....
Want me to bring it in?
We'd buy some to try.
-Keely.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:03 pm
by mr x
One step is h202. Is this not readily available as other products?
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Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:03 pm
by GillettBreweryCnslt
GuingesRock wrote:I know for a fact that they supply Toronto Brewing Supplies and Canadian Home brew supplies. Both are online stores similar to Everwood, and Everwood does have a store. I'd make a fuss if they didn't give you an account and ask why.
More so the $2000 minimum purchase is a stopper. I don't even have that much on any of my many (maxed-out) credit cards! Plus I can find the non-name brand version for cheaper from a distributor that supports me (with advice and guidance as well as product), so I'm very happy to be able to support them as well.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:23 pm
by LeafMan66_67
mr x wrote:One step is h202. Is this not readily available as other products?
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Isn't "one step" sold as "Aseptox" through Noble Grape?
I used it for years with great success, but switched to PBW and Star San. I like how PBW eats through anything in kegs and carboys, and star San in a spray bottle is great on brew day.
Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:25 pm
by mr x
I've not really been impressed with h2o2 myself, and I have used some powerful stuff.
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Re: Saniclean or Iodophor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:28 pm
by GillettBreweryCnslt
LeafMan66_67 wrote:mr x wrote:One step is h202. Is this not readily available as other products?
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Isn't "one step" sold as "Aseptox" through Noble Grape?
I used it for years with great success, but switched to PBW and Star San. I like how PBW eats through anything in kegs and carboys, and star San in a spray bottle is great on brew day.
And that's why I'll carry all of them. Everyone has their preference. The PBW will be here in a week or so, I'm working on Star San and I'll have the Oxy-San next week.
I can only get 5 gallons of the Saniclean or Iodophor, so I'll probably hold off on those till I have multiple locations or have cornered the internet market.