2016 Advent - December 5: Berlintermites - Berliner Weisse

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Post by pet lion » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:19 pm

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Just catching up on this one today. A nice, hazy straw coloured brew that is just tart enough to really enjoy. My bottle was also low on the carb end.

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Post by Highland Brewer » Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:38 pm

Interesting brew. Enjoyed this style too for first time. Bottle undercarbed enjoyed every drop

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Post by jmacdonald » Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:28 pm

Tried this today. Bottle was flat with no carbonation at all.

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Post by mumblecrunch » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:27 pm

Undercarbed but I didn't care; I'd have been quite happy to drink it dead flat. I guess I've been lucky with my sour beer experiences because I don't even know what people are talking about when they say "sour mash flavors". This was great, a nice sharp sourness with some grain balance. I'd kill a keg of this in a hurry.

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Post by Keith » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:34 am

Tasty beer Jimmy. Enjoyed this around the camp fire tonight.
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Post by jtmwhyte » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:18 pm

how long/what psi do you generally use to purge co2? I have a big tank with a dual reg and can purge my electric kettle, I'm just curious about how you do it.
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Post by Lisa J » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:22 pm

I'll be interested to see how mine turns out. I didn't purge the O2 from the wort, but I covered the surface of the beer with plastic wrap so that no O2 could touch the surface. We'll see...
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Post by Jimmy » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:30 pm

jtmwhyte wrote:how long/what psi do you generally use to purge co2? I have a big tank with a dual reg and can purge my electric kettle, I'm just curious about how you do it.
I have a ball lock/triclover fitting that I hook to the bottom of the conical and purge at about 5-10psi. I don't use full flow though, just enough that it's bubbling through, and I usually leave it for about 1.5 minutes or so.

Doesn't have to be done this way though - a hose on the end of the reg, submerged and bubbled through the wort should work just as well.. Or co2 purging the headspace would be fine too.
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Lisa J wrote:I'll be interested to see how mine turns out. I didn't purge the O2 from the wort, but I covered the surface of the beer with plastic wrap so that no O2 could touch the surface. We'll see...
Did you do the souring process already? If so, how did it smell after souring?
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Post by LiverDance » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:39 pm

I usually just take my connector off and blow in some c02 under the wrap that covers it. About 60 seconds is what I do


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Jimmy wrote:
Lisa J wrote:I'll be interested to see how mine turns out. I didn't purge the O2 from the wort, but I covered the surface of the beer with plastic wrap so that no O2 could touch the surface. We'll see...
Did you do the souring process already? If so, how did it smell after souring?
Actually, it seems to be coming right along. Looks like the plastic wrap directly on the surface of the wort did the trick. It's souring nicely, and the PH is about 4-ish at the moment. Should be ready to boil in the a.m.
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Post by Jimmy » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:43 am

Lisa J wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
Lisa J wrote:I'll be interested to see how mine turns out. I didn't purge the O2 from the wort, but I covered the surface of the beer with plastic wrap so that no O2 could touch the surface. We'll see...
Did you do the souring process already? If so, how did it smell after souring?
Actually, it seems to be coming right along. Looks like the plastic wrap directly on the surface of the wort did the trick. It's souring nicely, and the PH is about 4-ish at the moment. Should be ready to boil in the a.m.
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Jimmy wrote:
Lisa J wrote: Actually, it seems to be coming right along. Looks like the plastic wrap directly on the surface of the wort did the trick. It's souring nicely, and the PH is about 4-ish at the moment. Should be ready to boil in the a.m.
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Post by Jimmy » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:40 am

Think I'll brew this soon myself... Been a while since I last brewed it.

This one will probably get some fruit added.

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Jimmy wrote:Think I'll brew this soon myself... Been a while since I last brewed it.

This one will probably get some fruit added.

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I would really appreciate some guidance on brewing this with fruit. If you have some wisdom to share, that would be great. I wanted to try the "naked" version first to try to get the acid balance right, but love the idea of a sour cherry, grapefruit, etc.

I've gone from wondering if this would ever sour to thinking it might be a little TOO sour. We shall see...
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Post by spickup » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:46 am

I think I'm going to hop on the bandwagon and give this one a try.

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Post by Lisa J » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:58 am

Boil complete and yeast pitched, but I seem to have an efficiency issue. I only hit an OG of 1.020. I think this one will end up as carbonated grapefruit juice. I think I need to adjust my efficiency in my Beersmith equipment profile and try again. Is it possible that the same little bugs that made it super-sour ate all my sugar?

On the upside, I think this will be an awesome "post-run/post-gym" beverage.
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Post by Jimmy » Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:00 am

Lisa J wrote:Boil complete and yeast pitched, but I seem to have an efficiency issue. I only hit an OG of 1.020. I think this one will end up as carbonated grapefruit juice. I think I need to adjust my efficiency in my Beersmith equipment profile and try again. Is it possible that the same little bugs that made it super-sour ate all my sugar?

On the upside, I think this will be an awesome "post-run/post-gym" beverage.
Did you adjust your boil time in beersmith to compensate for the 15 min boil rather than the standard 60 min boil?

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Jimmy wrote:Did you adjust your boil time in beersmith to compensate for the 15 min boil rather than the standard 60 min boil?

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I thought about that, but when I adjust the boil time in Beersmith between 60 min and 15 min, it actually doesn't change the projected OG (the IBUs change slightly). When I originally built the recipe in BS, I used my standard Grainfather profile. I adjusted the boil time later (when I clued in to the 15 min boil.) Maybe I should try rebuilding the recipe from scratch in Beersmith and see if it comes out differently. Perhaps it is confused...
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Lisa J wrote:
Jimmy wrote:Did you adjust your boil time in beersmith to compensate for the 15 min boil rather than the standard 60 min boil?

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I thought about that, but when I adjust the boil time in Beersmith between 60 min and 15 min, it actually doesn't change the projected OG (the IBUs change slightly). When I originally built the recipe in BS, I used my standard Grainfather profile. I adjusted the boil time later (when I clued in to the 15 min boil.) Maybe I should try rebuilding the recipe from scratch in Beersmith and see if it comes out differently. Perhaps it is confused...
The OG should drop when the boil changes from 60 min to 15 min.

I'm not sure if that's the only place that you would have lost efficiency. Technically, you should have better efficiency with this beer compared to most, because of the low OG.

What did beersmith tell you your pre boil gravity should be?
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Post by LiverDance » Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:46 am

When switching the boil times keep an eye on the boil off rates


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Jimmy wrote:The OG should drop when the boil changes from 60 min to 15 min.

I'm not sure if that's the only place that you would have lost efficiency. Technically, you should have better efficiency with this beer compared to most, because of the low OG.

What did beersmith tell you your pre boil gravity should be?
So, I rebuilt the recipe, changing the boil time from 60 min to 15 min before adding the grain bill (same for both). The old recipe gives an estimated OG of 1.032 (didn't change when I switched from 60 min to 15 min) and the est pre-boil gravity was 1.027. The new recipe (identical grain bill), built with a 15 min boil, gives an OG of 1.029. This makes more sense, but I only squeaked out an OG of 1.020. So I'm losing efficency somewhere else.

I used the "Single infusion, full body, batch sparge" mash profile - not sure whether this is correct for the Grainfather or not.
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Post by Jimmy » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:14 pm

Have you ever checked your pre boil gravity?

There's a chance you're always low on pre boil, and your boil off is higher than expected - meaning you wouldn't necessarily see a drop in your OG.

I'm not sure what else would cause a drop in efficiency with this beer.

Was your post boil volume correct?
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Post by MitchK » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:29 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if you got some fermentation during your souring if you just hucked raw grain in there - probably contained yeast too. How warm did you keep it? A high temperature like 110f would probably help prevent wild yeast from working.

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Post by Lisa J » Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:41 pm

MitchK wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if you got some fermentation during your souring if you just hucked raw grain in there - probably contained yeast too. How warm did you keep it? A high temperature like 110f would probably help prevent wild yeast from working.
I set the temp on my Grainfather at 110F - didn't think I'd get an fermentation. My recipe was definitely whacked out by the boil time.
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