Recipe suggestion

[Relic]

Keep in mind I'll be doing my first AG soon... but looking for some suggestions for a simple recipe. Nothing too outta the ordinary. I am hoping to hook a buddy onto this as well (who loves the usual store bought beer), so I would like to keep it toned down. Now, myself, I could drink anything...

[sleepyjamie]

A simple APA is a good choice as a starter

[akr71]

I agree with the APA, but a brown can be pretty forgiving too.

[mr x]

Do you want hoppy or malty, dark or light?

[Jimmy]

The brown will also help hide the fact that the beer isn't filtered & crystal clear...This has been the biggest hurdle for me, when it comes to getting people to try good beer & homebrew!

[CorneliusAlphonse]

despite it being overused to describe nash's beers, hops really do disguise other flaws. at least in my beer. something to consider

[mr x]

What have you got for specialty grains?

[Relic]

Grains?.....I haven't a grain!!! But, seriously,I have absolutely nothing yet...still doing up a shopping list. The color is not a big deal. But I would want to go with something that's not a big jump taste wise, from your usual off the shelf kinda beer...you know like Coors (there I've said it).

I don't want to turn my buddy off from home brew with something that's a big jump from normal. So as for hoppy/malty, I have no clue....I'm new at this. I'm hoping to get my friend into it so as we can share costs/equiptment/help. So far he's interested, but he's kinda waiting for the end product.

[Jimmy]

This was one of my first all grain brews. It's relatively simple, all the grains/hops can be picked up at noble grape (I don't think they have crystal 10, but their light crystal should be fine), and it's something a "Budweiser Drinker" could handle lol

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/bee-cav ... ale-31793/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mr x]

I thought I warned you about HBT...

Go local.

http://www.brewnosers.org/forums/viewto ... ?f=4&t=570" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jimmy]

I thought I warned you about HBT...

Go local.

http://www.brewnosers.org/forums/viewto ... ?f=4&t=570" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Would you like me to censor the HBT domain on the forums?

[LiverDance]

Grains?.....I haven't a grain!!! But, seriously,I have absolutely nothing yet...still doing up a shopping list. The color is not a big deal. But I would want to go with something that's not a big jump taste wise, from your usual off the shelf kinda beer...you know like Coors (there I've said it).

I don't want to turn my buddy off from home brew with something that's a big jump from normal. So as for hoppy/malty, I have no clue....I'm new at this. I'm hoping to get my friend into it so as we can share costs/equiptment/help. So far he's interested, but he's kinda waiting for the end product.

I just did a recipe of 80% Pilsner malt and 20% flaked rice, 18 IBU's and US-05 for the yeast, took it to a party for regular beer folks and the keg was gone that night. I thought it was very coors light ish and enjoyed it myself, i will be brewing it again for summer. Not sure if you have software but I can send it to you if you have beersmith or send you a pdf of something if you want.

[mr x]

Would you like me to censor the HBT domain on the forums?

Yes.

But there's more. Much more.

[Relic]

This was one of my first all grain brews. It's relatively simple, all the grains/hops can be picked up at noble grape (I don't think they have crystal 10, but their light crystal should be fine), and it's something a "Budweiser Drinker" could handle lol

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/bee-cav ... ale-31793/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Perfect that's kinda what I'm looking for.

Now outta curiosity, I have a hard time visualizing (well, mental tasting anyways) IBU's..

I'm guessing it helps ya figure out how bitter the beer is, and not just a clever name
Most non-brewers like Coors Light (I'm guilty here as well)
What would the IBU's of that be?
I also like Guinness.....IBU's???

This may help me some.

Geez, I even liked O'keefe's Extra Old Stock......

[CorneliusAlphonse]

Grains?.....I haven't a grain!!! But, seriously,I have absolutely nothing yet...still doing up a shopping list. The color is not a big deal. But I would want to go with something that's not a big jump taste wise, from your usual off the shelf kinda beer...you know like Coors (there I've said it).

I don't want to turn my buddy off from home brew with something that's a big jump from normal. So as for hoppy/malty, I have no clue....I'm new at this. I'm hoping to get my friend into it so as we can share costs/equiptment/help. So far he's interested, but he's kinda waiting for the end product.

I just did a recipe of 80% Pilsner malt and 20% flaked rice, 18 IBU's and US-05 for the yeast, took it to a party for regular beer folks and the keg was gone that night. I thought it was very coors light ish and enjoyed it myself, i will be brewing it again for summer. Not sure if you have software but I can send it to you if you have beersmith or send you a pdf of something if you want.

what kind of turnaround did you have for that? just thinking about if i could have something kegged for st. paddy's day (10 days ish from brewing probably). would it taste any good with a grain bill like that?

[Relic]

Grains?.....I haven't a grain!!! But, seriously,I have absolutely nothing yet...still doing up a shopping list. The color is not a big deal. But I would want to go with something that's not a big jump taste wise, from your usual off the shelf kinda beer...you know like Coors (there I've said it).

I don't want to turn my buddy off from home brew with something that's a big jump from normal. So as for hoppy/malty, I have no clue....I'm new at this. I'm hoping to get my friend into it so as we can share costs/equiptment/help. So far he's interested, but he's kinda waiting for the end product.

I just did a recipe of 80% Pilsner malt and 20% flaked rice, 18 IBU's and US-05 for the yeast, took it to a party for regular beer folks and the keg was gone that night. I thought it was very coors light ish and enjoyed it myself, i will be brewing it again for summer. Not sure if you have software but I can send it to you if you have beersmith or send you a pdf of something if you want.

Hmmmm....sounds interesting too. Yes I have beersmith, so either format would be nice. Thx.

[LiverDance]

Grains?.....I haven't a grain!!! But, seriously,I have absolutely nothing yet...still doing up a shopping list. The color is not a big deal. But I would want to go with something that's not a big jump taste wise, from your usual off the shelf kinda beer...you know like Coors (there I've said it).

I don't want to turn my buddy off from home brew with something that's a big jump from normal. So as for hoppy/malty, I have no clue....I'm new at this. I'm hoping to get my friend into it so as we can share costs/equiptment/help. So far he's interested, but he's kinda waiting for the end product.

I just did a recipe of 80% Pilsner malt and 20% flaked rice, 18 IBU's and US-05 for the yeast, took it to a party for regular beer folks and the keg was gone that night. I thought it was very coors light ish and enjoyed it myself, i will be brewing it again for summer. Not sure if you have software but I can send it to you if you have beersmith or send you a pdf of something if you want.

what kind of turnaround did you have for that? just thinking about if i could have something kegged for st. paddy's day (10 days ish from brewing probably). would it taste any good with a grain bill like that?

You could turn it around in 10 days for sure. It won't be clear but it's pretty tasty, kinda sweet and and a little dry. I mashed at 148.

[Graham.C]

This was one of my first all grain brews. It's relatively simple, all the grains/hops can be picked up at noble grape (I don't think they have crystal 10, but their light crystal should be fine), and it's something a "Budweiser Drinker" could handle lol

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/bee-cav ... ale-31793/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Perfect that's kinda what I'm looking for.

Now outta curiosity, I have a hard time visualizing (well, mental tasting anyways) IBU's..

I'm guessing it helps ya figure out how bitter the beer is, and not just a clever name
Most non-brewers like Coors Light (I'm guilty here as well)
What would the IBU's of that be?
I also like Guinness.....IBU's???

This may help me some.

Geez, I even liked O'keefe's Extra Old Stock......

I stole this from that site which shall not be named, couldn't find guinness/coors but if you give it more then one google search I bet you could.

Budweiser is what, 12 IBUs? Heineken is ~20, Sierra Nevada Pale is 35 or something. Jever Pilsner is 40-45 (highest IBU German Pilsner?), Stone Ruination is 100+.

Keep in mind IBU's (International Bittering Units) are relative to the malts, so what you really want to know is IBU/gravity ratio's. The more sugar in the beer the less bitter it will taste so the more IBU's you can safely cram into it.

Hope that helps.

[mr x]

The more sugar in the beer the less bitter it will taste so the more IBU's you can safely cram into it.

It's gross information like this why people should stay the fuck away from HBT.

[NASH]

Yeah the BU/OG ratio has basically nothing to do with how bitter you perceive the beer

[homebrewcrew]

brown or the octoberfest recipe from noble grape

[CorneliusAlphonse]

I just did a recipe of 80% Pilsner malt and 20% flaked rice, 18 IBU's and US-05 for the yeast, took it to a party for regular beer folks and the keg was gone that night. I thought it was very coors light ish and enjoyed it myself, i will be brewing it again for summer. Not sure if you have software but I can send it to you if you have beersmith or send you a pdf of something if you want.

what kind of turnaround did you have for that? just thinking about if i could have something kegged for st. paddy's day (10 days ish from brewing probably). would it taste any good with a grain bill like that?

You could turn it around in 10 days for sure. It won't be clear but it's pretty tasty, kinda sweet and and a little dry. I mashed at 148.

cool. sounds like it'd be fairly clean tasting... aim for 5%? i might use some late hopping to keep it lively

[NASH]

Most non-brewers like Coors Light (I'm guilty here as well)
What would the IBU's of that be?
I also like Guinness.....IBU's???

Guinness is around 40 IBUs and Coors Lite is likely around 8. Also, I call bullshit to the bold'd statement, least that's what sales figures show

Since I've been breaking in folks to craft beer for a while I can offer a few tidbits.... light beers may not be the way to get them interested or excited about the product. When someone loves Coors or whatever sometimes they'll drink 'homebrew' that looks similar, exclaim how great it is then run screaming swearing to never drink anything but Coors ever again A lot of people like to be 'nice' and for some when you tell them you make beer similar to Coors they're expecting to get just that and not something that's light and easy-drinking but tastes totally different. Some people love it because it's free. Some folks have no palate. Some folks have a palate but have never been exposed to good craft beer. Some folks are hung-up on colour, others can look right past it. It's a totally individual thing. I've seen a LOT of people converted, easing into craft beer by having a few light easy-drinking samples but I've seen more converted with their first taste of well-made craft beer from giant hop-bombs to black beers to brown ales to anything in between. The flavours and aromas can be shocking to some, an eye-opening experience that leaves them forever changed.

My 20 yr old nephew never had a craft beer in his life, he's been drinking swill for a few years I suppose. The first time he came to the pub for a drink of my beer I gave him an India Red Ale, he puckered up and almost ran screaming, there was no way he was going to drink it. He has limited palate experience and is a very fussy eater not getting much past well done steak with no spice or chicken fingers and raw carrots, oh and KD and potato chips. Alas we found the ticket, the beer that he wants, the first craft beer he found he can drink and say it's good is.... Schwarzbier, sweet black goodness from the gods. I've seen good schwarbier and porters turn more mass-swill drinkers than any light beers, it shocks them with smoothness and flavour they never knew existed in the beer world.

My point is your pal should head to the local brewpub for some samples, see if there's anything that turns his crank and go from there. You might be aiming sideways trying to brew a Coors clone so-to-speak, or you could be bang-on, or he may never like anything but. There's tons of variety at the NSLC and the private agency stores but with beer freshness can be everything, you'll have a real tough go trying to find beer as good as it is right at the brewery not to mention how tough it is to find really well-made and balanced craft beer in these parts, there's a LOT of shite on the shelves.

Take him to Rogues for a sampler round then to Rockbottom for another sampler round and report back

[mr x]

In addition to that, I find appearance is a big factor for noobs. I have a good friend who is a lifetime BMC drinker who i can always get to drink my beer, but, clarity helps the medicine go down. For instance, the last time he was by I poured him some Keith's 1917. First comment was how nice and clear it was. The next was about the bitterness/hoppiness. But it didn't take long for him to warm up to it, and go back for more. That would have been a lot harder if the beer was murky - the mental image would take over and create something unpleasant. I do think that trying to beat BMC at their own game is a waste of time. I think the easy way in is malt based, which is why i suggested the brown ale.

[NASH]

In addition to that, I find appearance is a big factor for noobs. I have a good friend who is a lifetime BMC drinker who i can always get to drink my beer, but, clarity helps the medicine go down. For instance, the last time he was by I poured him some Keith's 1917. First comment was how nice and clear it was. The next was about the bitterness/hoppiness. But it didn't take long for him to warm up to it, and go back for more. That would have been a lot harder if the beer was murky - the mental image would take over and create something unpleasant. I do think that trying to beat BMC at their own game is a waste of time. I think the easy way in is malt based, which is why i suggested the brown ale.

Agreed on all counts. It's the same as being fed clear apple juice from childhood then someone shoving a glass of murky cider in front of you. Appearance is important until the flavour hooks them, we're all taught by the big guys early on that clarity is a part of what good beer is. Oh and triple ice filtering. Time to release a triple-hot boiled beer I think

Also worthy of mention is that similar to the apple juice/cider comparison, a murky wheat beer or any unfiltered beer has huge mineral, nutrient and vitamin content by comparison.