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Post by Buccaneer » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:22 pm

Surely this surprises no one.

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Post by CorneliusAlphonse » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:43 am

chalmers wrote:
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Unfiltered & RSMA. Shitty news on this one, looks like it's business as usual for the NS breweries.
yes, sorry, I should've summarized - the NS Supreme Court has thrown out Unfiltered's case, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I particularly liked this quote, from a different source :? :
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Post by Toni » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:17 am

I'm a bit surprised. From what I had heard, it was technically illegal. That being said, the government would have been able to retroactively change the laws anyway to keep the fee legal even if it was deemed invalid.

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Post by danlatimer » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:50 am

Not sure I understand what "expropriation of public property" means haha. Expropriation was defined as the state taking private property, how does that relate to public property and what public property is in question here. Damn you legalese.

The way I interpreted the ruling was that to sell beer in NS you need a beer license which is a contract that you enter with NSLC. That contract specifies that you need to pay the RSMA
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Post by mumblecrunch » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:12 am

danlatimer wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:50 am
Not sure I understand what "expropriation of public property" means haha. Expropriation was defined as the state taking private property, how does that relate to public property and what public property is in question here. Damn you legalese.
Effectively the judge seems to be saying that for some reason (Liquor Control Act, probably), the government can essentially declare the beer that a brewery makes to be public property and apply whatever taxes, levies, etc. it sees fit. Basically the gummint gets to say, "Yoink!" even if they had absolutely nothing to do with the production of the product.
The way I interpreted the ruling was that to sell beer in NS you need a beer license which is a contract that you enter with NSLC. That contract specifies that you need to pay the RSMA
This puts a slightly prettier face on it ("Every brewery agrees to this, in writing, so they can't complain.")It's still eminent domain (aka "Government gets to do what government does.") I am not a lawyer, nor do I lay any claim to any legal knowledge whatsoever, but at a guess I suspect that the only argument that can go forward from here is whether this should be an area where the Government can apply eminent domain. And since alcohol control is generally accepted as a public health issue, I'm guessing that's a losing battle.

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Post by NASH » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:33 pm

In coming to this conclusion, the judge agreed with us that the RSMA has the characteristics of a tax and is not a regulatory charge (as the government argued). The focus of his decision is the deemed right of first sale in the Policy. He found that the RSMA is a charge on NSLC's own property. We have concerns with the judge's reasoning. In many cases he properly recites Unfiltered's arguments but does little or nothing to address them. For example, on the question of whether there was a contract - he recited our arguments and then simply says at para. 78 that he thinks there was a contract. There is almost no analysis of this crucial issue. At para. 83 he suggests the RSMA is an exercise of regulatory power -- if so, how could Unfiltered have freely entered into a commercial contract to pay the RSMA? Unfiltered was obliged to do so. For a decision to be sound, a judge must explain how he or she comes to a conclusion. Or do they? I guess not.

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Post by dean2k » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:29 am

NASH wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:33 pm
He found that the RSMA is a charge on NSLC's own property
That's the head scratcher.
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We have concerns with the judge's reasoning.
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Post by elreplica » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:45 pm

A continuation of the suzerainty of the greedy robber barons in governance of this fair province.
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Post by cagiva650 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:25 pm

"With nearly 20 breweries set to be open in the province by 2019, Newfoundland and Labrador is definitely on the craft-beer bandwagon."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundl ... -1.4516213
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Post by Toni » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:21 pm

Sounds like someone intentionally killed bees at Midgard Meadery?!?

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Kde se pivo vaří, tam se dobře daří. Where beer is brewed, life is good.

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Post by cagiva650 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:45 am

"People's Pint Brewing Company setup a designated tap for homebrewers to feature their one-off beers on a rotating basis."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/p ... -1.4592272
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Post by pvanberk » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:53 pm

I'm in New Zealand for a few months and saw this website advertised on Auckland buses: https://www.beerthebeautifultruth.co.nz/

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Post by BobbyOK » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:32 am

Uh, it appears we've all been doing it wrong.
The Belgium-based company AB InBev says it has developed a technique to generate gas bubbles needed for the malting of grains before fermentation without the need to boil the water and hops.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... es-in-beer

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Post by Toni » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:28 am

Not unexpected, but Comeau lost the "free-the-beer" case at the Supreme Court:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns ... -1.4626217

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Post by elreplica » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:58 pm

Didn’t mean d!ck to me...until I read the previous story on how the Macrosh!tbeer Co. tried to hijack the smaller guys brand...MillerCoors sucks ass anyway...
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Post by elreplica » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:29 am

On a more somewhat sober note, you know the SCOC had to support the feudal lords on this...the gates of craft beer - and myriad other things - would be unleashed onto the Canadian public if this was condoned....
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Post by elreplica » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:06 pm

More on the latest beer news...and the feudal lords are emboldened...

https://globalnews.ca/news/4166852/nb-l ... otia-beer/
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Post by Toni » Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 am

Some light reading of NB's Liquor Control Act, for those that are curious. Clause 43 is what states you are not allowed to have more than 12 pints that was obtained from another province or country.

http://laws.gnb.ca/en/showfulldoc/cs/L-10//20180427

I'm asking a lawyer friend of mine for clarification, but it seems very strange to me that you can bring more than 12 pints in from Maine, which is federally allowed, and CBP collects taxes on behalf of NB on your overage. Could NB then just have the local RCMP stop you and confiscate your illegal beer and fine you after having collected their taxes on it?

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Post by cagiva650 » Mon May 21, 2018 1:01 pm

Business as usual.

"Police on Newfoundland's Northern Peninsula have charged a Quebec man who they say tried to enter the province with a large amount of tobacco and alcohol."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundl ... -1.4671746
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Post by Toni » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:01 pm

NS now to allow breweries to pour > 4oz

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... -1.4705845

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Re: Beer in the news - Inducement

Post by Brewnoser » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:53 pm

Interesting coincidence recently - both Unfiltered and Big Spruce are releasing beers targeting the illegal practice of breweries offering inducements to bar owners to put their beer on tap, instead of someone else's.

It's widely assumed that Labatt and Molson do this (installing taps and lines, for example, as long as their beer flows through them is an inducement).

What is funny is the list of actual things the NSLC includes in its kist of things not allowed to be given to bars.

"Customer gifts (ex – electronics, clothing, watches, motorcycles, boats, jet
skis, etc.)."

You have to assume that someone was caught giving a bar owner a jetski to put their beer on. I'm guessing that was Tidehouse, right?

Anyway, Unfiltered's beer is out and it is another delicious Nash Bomb IPA aptly named Inducement IPA. I just had one. You should too.

And Big Spruce has theirs coming out soon, not sure of the style, but the name will reportedly be "Watches and Jetskis".

This is all fun and David and Goliath when the breweries giving inducement to bar owners are mega corp factory shite beer makers. But it changes to the dark side when it's one local micro doing to to steal a tap account from another. And that is what is going on. Needless to say, it's not Unfiltered or Big Spruce doing it. But with their pricing, as premium hops and organic ingredients respectively, they don't have much room to drop their net income.

So, what I am dong is not patronizing any bar or restaurant I hear is asking for inducements before the put on a craft beer (they can get what they can from Belgo-Brazilians, that shit isn't passing my lips anyway). And I'm not buying any beer from those breweries playing that game. That would be supporting selfish, close minded, and essentially stupid business practices. That isn't growth, that's cannibalism.

I am not going to name names, but I could. It's a bit sad, because three of the breweries I was a customer of. You can figure out who they are. Or you just need to hear a sales rep talking to a bartender about wanting to get on one of their "craft taps" at the expense of another small brewer. I've got news for them - a bar only needs one "Canadian sparkling lager/ale" They all taste basically the same, and are for people who have no idea what they are drinking, and don't care.

The only inducement you should need to choose a beer, is that it be great beer.

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